1 00:00:13,784 --> 00:00:15,536 ? 2 00:00:15,661 --> 00:00:16,870 When people say, 3 00:00:16,871 --> 00:00:19,122 "What's the roughest match you ever saw?" 4 00:00:19,123 --> 00:00:20,415 [Crowd] Oh! 5 00:00:20,416 --> 00:00:23,210 That's the one, that's... man. 6 00:00:23,336 --> 00:00:27,255 If I could describe that match in one word... 7 00:00:27,256 --> 00:00:28,965 - [screaming] - Oh! 8 00:00:28,966 --> 00:00:30,675 It was real. 9 00:00:30,676 --> 00:00:32,886 It was shocking at times. 10 00:00:32,887 --> 00:00:35,096 It's personal. 11 00:00:35,097 --> 00:00:36,890 It was unbelievable. 12 00:00:36,891 --> 00:00:39,392 [Narrator] One of the most brutal wrestling matches ever 13 00:00:39,393 --> 00:00:41,853 took place far from the big leagues. 14 00:00:41,854 --> 00:00:43,688 This wasn't on national television. 15 00:00:43,689 --> 00:00:46,400 This was in Philadelphia, in the arena. 16 00:00:46,401 --> 00:00:48,401 [Narrator] It happened on the independent wrestling 17 00:00:48,402 --> 00:00:50,946 circuit in the early 2000s. 18 00:00:50,947 --> 00:00:52,697 They were two guys at the tops of 19 00:00:52,698 --> 00:00:53,949 their own mountains. 20 00:00:54,075 --> 00:00:55,868 Samoa Joe was carrying the flag 21 00:00:55,993 --> 00:00:57,453 of pro wrestling. 22 00:00:57,578 --> 00:01:00,581 Undeniably a world champion level talent. 23 00:01:00,706 --> 00:01:02,123 I'm Samoa fucking Joe. 24 00:01:02,124 --> 00:01:03,541 I know how to whip somebody's ass. 25 00:01:03,542 --> 00:01:06,128 And then you had Necro Butcher, man... 26 00:01:06,253 --> 00:01:08,089 who was king of the deathmatches. 27 00:01:08,214 --> 00:01:11,341 Necro Butcher was the wild-eyed monster 28 00:01:11,342 --> 00:01:13,094 of deathmatch wrestling. 29 00:01:13,095 --> 00:01:15,261 When he'd just punch the guy in the face, 30 00:01:15,262 --> 00:01:17,597 the fans heard the punch connect. 31 00:01:17,598 --> 00:01:18,473 [Announcer] Oh! 32 00:01:18,474 --> 00:01:20,935 Necro would just plain kick your head in. 33 00:01:21,060 --> 00:01:23,479 He was also in this movie called The Wrestler. 34 00:01:23,604 --> 00:01:27,315 There's a fine line between madness and genius, 35 00:01:27,316 --> 00:01:28,984 and that was Necro. 36 00:01:28,985 --> 00:01:30,276 [Necro] The mainstream wrestlers, 37 00:01:30,277 --> 00:01:32,028 they thought I was beneath them. 38 00:01:32,029 --> 00:01:34,323 So, when I got Samoa Joe to fight me, 39 00:01:34,448 --> 00:01:37,325 I wanted to show the world what I could do. 40 00:01:37,326 --> 00:01:39,120 [Narrator] For Necro Butcher, 41 00:01:39,121 --> 00:01:41,121 it was an opportunity for redemption. 42 00:01:41,122 --> 00:01:43,749 This match had an air of danger. 43 00:01:43,874 --> 00:01:45,458 This is not fake. 44 00:01:45,459 --> 00:01:47,127 They just beat the shit out of each other. 45 00:01:47,128 --> 00:01:48,878 The energy was like, you know, 46 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:50,255 somebody's gonna die tonight. 47 00:01:50,256 --> 00:01:52,299 [Announcer] Holy! 48 00:01:52,425 --> 00:01:55,218 [Narrator] Decades later, those who were there 49 00:01:55,219 --> 00:01:56,804 reflect on the legacy... 50 00:01:56,929 --> 00:01:58,179 Oh, my God! 51 00:01:58,180 --> 00:01:59,973 [Narrator] ...of one of the most violent matches 52 00:01:59,974 --> 00:02:01,142 of all time. 53 00:02:01,267 --> 00:02:03,393 This is a fight, but it got pretty crazy. 54 00:02:03,394 --> 00:02:06,187 Forearms. Suplexes. Punches. 55 00:02:06,188 --> 00:02:08,815 Chairs thrown. Power bombs. 56 00:02:08,816 --> 00:02:09,816 [Announcer] Holy shit! 57 00:02:09,817 --> 00:02:11,152 This is fucking nuts. 58 00:02:11,153 --> 00:02:12,193 [Necro] That was the breakthrough moment 59 00:02:12,194 --> 00:02:13,486 for deathmatch wrestling. 60 00:02:13,487 --> 00:02:16,322 Whatever he was going to do to me would not stop me. 61 00:02:16,323 --> 00:02:18,200 ? 62 00:02:18,325 --> 00:02:24,248 [Crowd chanting] Holy shit! Holy shit! 63 00:02:26,083 --> 00:02:33,298 ? 64 00:02:33,299 --> 00:02:35,258 [Necro] The world's a dark place sometimes. 65 00:02:35,259 --> 00:02:37,886 The world can be really mean. 66 00:02:37,887 --> 00:02:40,221 I've had so many horrible things happen to me 67 00:02:40,222 --> 00:02:42,515 when I was young. 68 00:02:42,516 --> 00:02:46,936 And wrestling became my escape. 69 00:02:46,937 --> 00:02:49,231 It was a false reality. 70 00:02:49,357 --> 00:02:52,401 A place where no one can hurt me. 71 00:02:52,526 --> 00:02:55,195 You know, that's why I get into wrestling. 72 00:02:55,196 --> 00:02:57,907 Maybe I could be somebody else's escape. 73 00:02:58,032 --> 00:03:00,658 [Crowd] Holy shit! What the fuck? 74 00:03:00,659 --> 00:03:02,994 [Necro] But I wanted to make it more believable. 75 00:03:02,995 --> 00:03:05,373 [Announcer] [indistinct shouting] 76 00:03:05,498 --> 00:03:08,042 [Necro] I take incredible amounts of punishment... 77 00:03:08,167 --> 00:03:09,250 [Announcer] Oh! 78 00:03:09,251 --> 00:03:11,378 [Necro] Because the more believable that is, 79 00:03:11,379 --> 00:03:13,004 the more they're going to get into it. 80 00:03:13,005 --> 00:03:15,424 [Announcer] Someone call 911! 81 00:03:15,425 --> 00:03:17,258 You know, and forget about what's bothering them. 82 00:03:17,259 --> 00:03:19,010 My name is Dylan Summers. 83 00:03:19,011 --> 00:03:20,428 But you probably know me better as 84 00:03:20,429 --> 00:03:22,555 the "Necro Butcher". 85 00:03:22,556 --> 00:03:24,600 [Crowd] [Chanting] Necro! Necro! 86 00:03:24,601 --> 00:03:26,393 [Dylan] I got into deathmatch wrestling 87 00:03:26,394 --> 00:03:30,021 because I wanted to test myself, 88 00:03:30,022 --> 00:03:31,356 and I saw the guys in the main event 89 00:03:31,357 --> 00:03:34,110 doing deathmatches, and I said, alright, 90 00:03:34,235 --> 00:03:35,902 I want to be in the main event, 91 00:03:35,903 --> 00:03:37,070 so that's what I have to do. 92 00:03:37,071 --> 00:03:39,781 - Agh! - Oh! 93 00:03:39,782 --> 00:03:42,742 A deathmatch is death defying wrestling. 94 00:03:42,743 --> 00:03:45,161 My name is Dave Prazak, and I was one of the 95 00:03:45,162 --> 00:03:47,163 commentators for Necro Butcher 96 00:03:47,164 --> 00:03:48,582 versus Samoa Joe. 97 00:03:48,708 --> 00:03:51,298 Necro Butcher developed a reputation as one of the 98 00:03:51,377 --> 00:03:54,462 very best at the deathmatch style of wrestling. 99 00:03:54,463 --> 00:03:57,632 He was very reminiscent of someone like a Bruiser Brody, 100 00:03:57,633 --> 00:04:00,510 with the crazy hair, a wild demeanor. 101 00:04:00,511 --> 00:04:03,179 You never knew what he was going to do next. 102 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:04,347 [Announcer] He's got barbed wire 103 00:04:04,348 --> 00:04:05,765 wrapped around his fists! 104 00:04:05,766 --> 00:04:07,559 I've seen that guy do things to his body 105 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,271 that I couldn't ask a man to do. 106 00:04:10,396 --> 00:04:12,982 Glass, thumbtacks... 107 00:04:12,983 --> 00:04:14,107 [Announcer] Oh! 108 00:04:14,108 --> 00:04:15,859 Mousetraps. 109 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:17,945 Fluorescent light tubes. 110 00:04:17,946 --> 00:04:19,070 Anything that might cut you. 111 00:04:19,071 --> 00:04:20,281 [Announcer] Jesus! 112 00:04:20,406 --> 00:04:23,117 Night after night, he volunteers himself 113 00:04:23,242 --> 00:04:24,994 and he will always be the 114 00:04:25,119 --> 00:04:26,828 king of the death matches to me. 115 00:04:26,829 --> 00:04:27,871 - That hurt, man. - Jesus! 116 00:04:27,872 --> 00:04:29,457 I'm Mad Man Pondo. 117 00:04:29,582 --> 00:04:32,501 Me and Necro, we wrestled each other for years and 118 00:04:32,626 --> 00:04:34,976 always left a statement anywhere that we went. 119 00:04:35,004 --> 00:04:36,394 [Announcer] No, he's not! 120 00:04:36,464 --> 00:04:38,549 [Dylan] I want people to believe 121 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:40,925 they're watching a physical confrontation. 122 00:04:40,926 --> 00:04:43,344 - Agh! - Oh! 123 00:04:43,345 --> 00:04:47,016 [Dylan] That psychology comes from a very real place. 124 00:04:47,141 --> 00:04:50,478 [Narrator] As a child growing up in rural West Virginia, 125 00:04:50,603 --> 00:04:52,937 Dylan Summers excelled in school, 126 00:04:52,938 --> 00:04:55,357 setting him apart from those around him. 127 00:04:55,358 --> 00:04:57,484 [Dylan] West Virginia isn't exactly known 128 00:04:57,485 --> 00:04:59,861 for academic excellence, 129 00:04:59,862 --> 00:05:03,491 so I'd face the wrath of my schoolmates. 130 00:05:03,616 --> 00:05:06,369 That was like a daily thing when I was in school. 131 00:05:06,370 --> 00:05:07,535 If I had a bad day in school, 132 00:05:07,536 --> 00:05:08,620 I was going to watch wrestling 133 00:05:08,621 --> 00:05:10,705 with my dad on the weekends. 134 00:05:10,706 --> 00:05:12,373 You know, that's what I looked forward to. 135 00:05:12,374 --> 00:05:14,542 My dad was my best friend. 136 00:05:14,543 --> 00:05:16,670 And then I woke up one morning and 137 00:05:16,796 --> 00:05:18,839 my mother said there was a fire. 138 00:05:18,964 --> 00:05:21,342 ? 139 00:05:21,467 --> 00:05:23,176 [Dylan] My father was burned up. 140 00:05:23,177 --> 00:05:25,303 So... 141 00:05:25,304 --> 00:05:27,013 you know, didn't even get, didn't even get to 142 00:05:27,014 --> 00:05:27,972 see him at the funeral. 143 00:05:27,973 --> 00:05:30,017 Had a closed casket. 144 00:05:31,435 --> 00:05:35,438 I just really dove deeply into wrestling because 145 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:38,192 it's something I did with him. 146 00:05:38,317 --> 00:05:40,861 After that, I was by myself all the time. 147 00:05:41,987 --> 00:05:44,197 It was super tough. 148 00:05:44,198 --> 00:05:45,907 Through my entire school years, 149 00:05:45,908 --> 00:05:47,992 bullying is not the word, like it was way worse. 150 00:05:47,993 --> 00:05:51,247 I mean, punched, kicked, knock you down stairs. 151 00:05:51,248 --> 00:05:52,747 I couldn't tell you how many times 152 00:05:52,748 --> 00:05:54,791 my head was in toilets in high school. 153 00:05:54,792 --> 00:05:56,835 You know, and I just learned to flip that switch. 154 00:05:56,836 --> 00:05:58,503 You know, I'd just act like I was fine, 155 00:05:58,504 --> 00:06:00,130 and I just didn't want to let them know 156 00:06:00,131 --> 00:06:01,424 they were hurting me. 157 00:06:01,549 --> 00:06:04,260 That's why sometimes I can take 158 00:06:04,385 --> 00:06:06,344 incredible amounts of punishment. 159 00:06:06,345 --> 00:06:08,430 When I flick that switch, you can't hurt me. 160 00:06:08,431 --> 00:06:09,481 You can't hurt me. 161 00:06:09,482 --> 00:06:11,474 No matter what you do, you can't hurt me. 162 00:06:11,475 --> 00:06:13,227 [shouting and screaming] 163 00:06:13,228 --> 00:06:15,353 [Dylan] And once I showed 'em what I could do, 164 00:06:15,354 --> 00:06:17,273 I was the main event to stay. 165 00:06:17,398 --> 00:06:19,817 [Crowd] [Chanting] Necro! Necro! 166 00:06:19,818 --> 00:06:21,818 [Eddie] Necro Butcher, man, my dude was 167 00:06:21,819 --> 00:06:24,362 carrying the flag for deathmatch wrestling. 168 00:06:24,363 --> 00:06:26,239 I'm Eddie Kingston, pro wrestler, 169 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,950 and I was there when Necro and Joe 170 00:06:28,951 --> 00:06:30,452 decided to go at it. 171 00:06:30,453 --> 00:06:32,288 In the early 2000s, 172 00:06:32,289 --> 00:06:33,872 there was one company, folks... 173 00:06:33,873 --> 00:06:35,373 WWE. 174 00:06:35,374 --> 00:06:37,000 [Announcer] Here's how we're kicking it off! 175 00:06:37,001 --> 00:06:38,252 [Eddie] That's on TV. 176 00:06:38,253 --> 00:06:40,420 Then you got guys over here killing themselves 177 00:06:40,421 --> 00:06:42,297 doing independent wrestling. 178 00:06:42,298 --> 00:06:45,550 We wanted to show we're different from WWE. 179 00:06:45,551 --> 00:06:47,136 Doing it our way. 180 00:06:47,137 --> 00:06:49,804 [Narrator] Dissatisfied with mainstream wrestling 181 00:06:49,805 --> 00:06:50,805 on TV, 182 00:06:50,806 --> 00:06:55,144 hardcore fans flock to the independents... 183 00:06:55,269 --> 00:06:57,437 where performers push the limits. 184 00:06:57,438 --> 00:06:58,730 [Eddie] Almost every company, 185 00:06:58,731 --> 00:07:00,356 there was some type of deathmatch in it. 186 00:07:00,357 --> 00:07:02,692 -Oh! - That is not right. 187 00:07:02,693 --> 00:07:05,070 [Eddie] But some people considered it 188 00:07:05,071 --> 00:07:06,447 garbage wrestling. 189 00:07:06,448 --> 00:07:07,739 Then Ring of Honor came out. 190 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:10,825 You know, hold for hold, hard hitting, all that stuff. 191 00:07:10,826 --> 00:07:13,495 The Ring of Honor set a standard for 192 00:07:13,496 --> 00:07:17,123 independent wrestling with guys like Homicide, 193 00:07:17,124 --> 00:07:19,627 Low Ki, Bryan Danielson, 194 00:07:19,752 --> 00:07:22,296 Christopher Daniels, CM Punk. 195 00:07:22,421 --> 00:07:24,881 Then you had Samoa Joe, 196 00:07:24,882 --> 00:07:27,635 who was carrying the flag of pro wrestling. 197 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,262 [Announcer] Samoa... Joe! 198 00:07:31,263 --> 00:07:33,807 [Narrator] Although Samoa Joe is a top star today, 199 00:07:33,808 --> 00:07:36,310 in 2005, he was still making his name 200 00:07:36,435 --> 00:07:37,811 on the indie scene. 201 00:07:37,812 --> 00:07:39,938 There was never a doubt in my mind that 202 00:07:39,939 --> 00:07:41,606 I was one of the best wrestlers in the world. 203 00:07:41,607 --> 00:07:43,693 Once that curtain brushes past my face, 204 00:07:43,694 --> 00:07:45,610 and we're out there in front of the crowd, 205 00:07:45,611 --> 00:07:48,154 the switch is turned and we're ready to go. 206 00:07:48,155 --> 00:07:50,199 Agh! 207 00:07:50,324 --> 00:07:52,493 My name is Nuufolau Joel Seanoa. 208 00:07:52,618 --> 00:07:55,453 And I'm one half of the war that was... 209 00:07:55,454 --> 00:07:57,373 Joe versus Necro. 210 00:07:57,498 --> 00:08:00,166 My whole life is pretty much been on stage 211 00:08:00,167 --> 00:08:01,917 with my family's Polynesian show. 212 00:08:01,918 --> 00:08:03,712 I probably did 2 or 3 world tours before I ever 213 00:08:03,713 --> 00:08:05,171 stepped foot in a wrestling ring. 214 00:08:05,172 --> 00:08:07,590 You know, it definitely prepared me for this career. 215 00:08:07,591 --> 00:08:09,426 In entertainment, you need your hook. 216 00:08:09,427 --> 00:08:13,763 And, at my core, my style is... 217 00:08:13,764 --> 00:08:16,225 walk you down, smash you in the face. 218 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:18,393 - Ah! - Oh! 219 00:08:18,394 --> 00:08:19,519 [Nuufolau] The Ring Of Honor, at the time, 220 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,687 I had become champion. 221 00:08:20,688 --> 00:08:21,980 I've had a two-year run with the 222 00:08:21,981 --> 00:08:24,566 heavyweight championship, and the rest is history. 223 00:08:24,567 --> 00:08:26,943 - [grunting] - Oh! 224 00:08:26,944 --> 00:08:29,363 [Dylan] At the time, I was a consistent 225 00:08:29,488 --> 00:08:31,907 main eventer doing deathmatches. I said, 226 00:08:32,032 --> 00:08:35,368 "Alright, now what?" And I wanted to test myself 227 00:08:35,369 --> 00:08:37,746 against the best in the business. 228 00:08:37,747 --> 00:08:41,458 But, what had gotten to me was that 229 00:08:41,459 --> 00:08:43,960 he didn't want no part of that. 230 00:08:43,961 --> 00:08:46,254 [Narrator] At the time, Ring Of Honor wrestlers 231 00:08:46,255 --> 00:08:48,048 had a reputation for dismissing 232 00:08:48,049 --> 00:08:49,717 the deathmatch style. 233 00:08:49,842 --> 00:08:53,137 So crossovers were rare. 234 00:08:53,138 --> 00:08:55,597 [Nuufolau] I always saw this with a lot of 235 00:08:55,598 --> 00:08:57,640 deathmatch wrestlers, they always felt like 236 00:08:57,641 --> 00:08:59,391 they were kind of looked down upon. 237 00:08:59,392 --> 00:09:00,518 The truth of it is, you know, 238 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:02,562 guys in ROH, we had our style. 239 00:09:02,563 --> 00:09:03,772 You know, we had what we were proud of, 240 00:09:03,773 --> 00:09:04,939 what we were doing. 241 00:09:04,940 --> 00:09:06,442 It's a very different world. 242 00:09:06,567 --> 00:09:08,360 I mean, me personally, you know, 243 00:09:08,361 --> 00:09:10,361 I'm down to wrestle whoever. 244 00:09:10,362 --> 00:09:11,946 That's never been an issue for me. 245 00:09:11,947 --> 00:09:14,297 But as far as, like, wrestling Necro Butcher, 246 00:09:14,298 --> 00:09:15,617 you know, it was never brought up to me 247 00:09:15,618 --> 00:09:17,745 or ever brought up ever. 248 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:19,747 ? 249 00:09:19,748 --> 00:09:21,790 [Nuufolau] I think the fans probably have more 250 00:09:21,791 --> 00:09:25,001 to do with this than anything else. 251 00:09:25,002 --> 00:09:27,253 [Rob] Before social media, we had message boards 252 00:09:27,254 --> 00:09:30,799 where super hardcore nerdy fans like me would go, 253 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,966 and they would just talk to each other and 254 00:09:31,967 --> 00:09:33,593 talk about matches they've seen. 255 00:09:33,594 --> 00:09:35,524 If you went to the Ring of Honor board, 256 00:09:35,525 --> 00:09:37,138 it was a little bit like noses up in the air, 257 00:09:37,139 --> 00:09:39,475 like all of the wrestling was beneath it. 258 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,393 My name is Rob Naylor, 259 00:09:41,394 --> 00:09:43,813 and I worked at places like CZW and 260 00:09:43,938 --> 00:09:46,774 NXT and FCW, and I at the time went on 261 00:09:46,775 --> 00:09:48,316 the Ring of Honor message board, 262 00:09:48,317 --> 00:09:50,026 and I was like, "I want to see 263 00:09:50,027 --> 00:09:53,989 Samoa Joe wrestle Necro!" And then, oh my God, 264 00:09:54,115 --> 00:09:56,866 the barrage of other angry other wrestling fans. 265 00:09:56,867 --> 00:09:58,660 "You're an idiot! He sucks!" 266 00:09:58,661 --> 00:10:00,578 They just didn't want big bad Necro Butcher to 267 00:10:00,579 --> 00:10:03,373 sully their wonderful organization. 268 00:10:03,374 --> 00:10:05,333 But then, 269 00:10:05,334 --> 00:10:07,711 there was an incident at Chikara! 270 00:10:07,712 --> 00:10:09,254 [Announcer] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, 271 00:10:09,255 --> 00:10:12,340 and welcome to Chikara! 272 00:10:12,341 --> 00:10:14,509 [Narrator] Stepping out of the hardcore scene, 273 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:16,637 Necro Butcher and Mad Man Pondo 274 00:10:16,762 --> 00:10:19,640 enter a family friendly tag team tournament, 275 00:10:19,641 --> 00:10:21,516 putting Necro on a collision course 276 00:10:21,517 --> 00:10:23,351 with Samoa Joe. 277 00:10:23,352 --> 00:10:25,854 [Rob] Chikara was, bring Grandma, 278 00:10:25,855 --> 00:10:27,355 bring the kids, you're gonna have 279 00:10:27,356 --> 00:10:29,024 a fun time watching the wrestling, 280 00:10:29,025 --> 00:10:31,234 in this lovely, little cafeteria. 281 00:10:31,235 --> 00:10:34,655 [Dylan] It might have been a bit weird on paper. 282 00:10:34,780 --> 00:10:37,282 But I could not say no because that was 283 00:10:37,283 --> 00:10:39,451 my only source of income. 284 00:10:39,452 --> 00:10:40,952 I didn't care who these guys were. 285 00:10:40,953 --> 00:10:42,662 I was just gonna beat their ass. 286 00:10:42,663 --> 00:10:44,330 It just so happened that two of them were 287 00:10:44,331 --> 00:10:45,331 Ring of Honor students. 288 00:10:45,332 --> 00:10:48,793 [Announcer] Matt Turner and Anthony Franco! 289 00:10:48,794 --> 00:10:50,503 [Rob] Ring Of Honor didn't want to send someone 290 00:10:50,504 --> 00:10:51,672 they were gonna beat. 291 00:10:51,673 --> 00:10:53,340 They just sent a couple of their students. 292 00:10:53,341 --> 00:10:54,966 [Anthony] I was nervous 'cause I didn't really know 293 00:10:54,967 --> 00:10:56,926 who Necro Butcher was, and he's like, 294 00:10:56,927 --> 00:10:59,722 "We'll just go out there and we'll just brawl." 295 00:10:59,847 --> 00:11:02,348 I didn't really learn that in, in school. 296 00:11:02,349 --> 00:11:03,183 Tonight, it's gonna be 297 00:11:03,184 --> 00:11:05,393 nothing but curtains for you two. 298 00:11:05,394 --> 00:11:07,103 [Andrew] We were definitely a little nervous, 299 00:11:07,104 --> 00:11:09,731 but we figured, hey, we got this, we got this. 300 00:11:09,732 --> 00:11:11,692 Boy howdy, we were wrong, buddy. 301 00:11:11,817 --> 00:11:14,110 [Mad Man] Agh! 302 00:11:14,111 --> 00:11:15,445 [Announcer] Not even waiting for the ring introductions 303 00:11:15,446 --> 00:11:16,571 to make them bleed. 304 00:11:16,572 --> 00:11:18,198 [Dylan] You had to try to make a believable match with 305 00:11:18,199 --> 00:11:19,866 someone who doesn't know what they're doing. 306 00:11:19,867 --> 00:11:20,950 Agh! 307 00:11:20,951 --> 00:11:22,494 [Dylan] And when they start stinking the place up, 308 00:11:22,495 --> 00:11:23,912 I'm just gonna beat their ass. 309 00:11:23,913 --> 00:11:25,955 [Anthony] Oh! [Announcer] Oh-ho! 310 00:11:25,956 --> 00:11:27,874 [Dylan] I do what I do because this is my job 311 00:11:27,875 --> 00:11:29,752 and I need the money. 312 00:11:29,877 --> 00:11:32,295 What package are you offering to promoters? 313 00:11:32,296 --> 00:11:34,423 You have to offer something different. 314 00:11:34,424 --> 00:11:36,091 I think I'm pretty darn different. 315 00:11:36,092 --> 00:11:37,634 - Oh! - I can hear the thud! 316 00:11:37,635 --> 00:11:40,762 [Eddie] Some people were very concerned and believed that 317 00:11:40,763 --> 00:11:43,973 Pondo and Necro took advantage of the students. 318 00:11:43,974 --> 00:11:45,975 The Ring of Honor board, forget about it. 319 00:11:45,976 --> 00:11:47,102 They were really mad at Necro Butcher. 320 00:11:47,103 --> 00:11:49,354 It was only another reason for them not to like him. 321 00:11:49,355 --> 00:11:51,523 'Cause it was just like, "How dare he?" you know? 322 00:11:51,524 --> 00:11:54,317 "That's breaking the code." 323 00:11:54,318 --> 00:11:55,985 "Oh, he's unsafe." 324 00:11:55,986 --> 00:11:58,781 [Announcer] Goes for a suplex off the apron! 325 00:11:58,906 --> 00:12:00,658 [Rob] "He's reckless." 326 00:12:00,659 --> 00:12:03,159 [Anthony] Chikara, you don't really do that stuff. 327 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,328 [Dylan] Who cares? [laughing] 328 00:12:05,329 --> 00:12:06,622 ? 329 00:12:06,623 --> 00:12:08,206 [Announcer] Gets his head taken off! 330 00:12:08,207 --> 00:12:09,666 [Dylan] I think people found it entertaining. 331 00:12:09,667 --> 00:12:11,292 That's what I do. 332 00:12:11,293 --> 00:12:13,963 I beat people up in an entertaining manner. 333 00:12:13,964 --> 00:12:15,588 [Andrew] He was knocked out from the clothesline. 334 00:12:15,589 --> 00:12:17,132 I got knocked out twice in the match. 335 00:12:17,133 --> 00:12:18,675 His chest looks like hamburger meat. 336 00:12:18,676 --> 00:12:20,010 I have no idea where I'm at. 337 00:12:20,011 --> 00:12:22,430 It was just survival. 338 00:12:22,431 --> 00:12:24,097 [Anthony] Yeah, it was a little rough. 339 00:12:24,098 --> 00:12:25,641 [Andrew] Yeah. 340 00:12:25,766 --> 00:12:27,768 [Dylan] Turns out I got the last laugh. 341 00:12:27,893 --> 00:12:31,105 That's how I got Samoa Joe to fight me, you know. 342 00:12:31,230 --> 00:12:33,649 [Eddie] After the match, message boards 343 00:12:33,774 --> 00:12:36,151 had their little rumor mills going. 344 00:12:36,152 --> 00:12:38,654 The rumor was that Joe was not happy. 345 00:12:38,655 --> 00:12:40,947 [Dave] Because Joe was one of their mentors 346 00:12:40,948 --> 00:12:42,616 coming out of Ring of Honor, 347 00:12:42,742 --> 00:12:44,618 and I think he may have felt ROH was 348 00:12:44,744 --> 00:12:46,620 disrespected by these guys. 349 00:12:46,746 --> 00:12:49,665 And it perfectly set the stage for Joe to 350 00:12:49,790 --> 00:12:51,917 face Necro to get some revenge. 351 00:12:51,918 --> 00:12:53,918 [Announcer] Getting a standing ovation! 352 00:12:53,919 --> 00:12:55,587 [Rob] The fans bought into it and they're like, 353 00:12:55,588 --> 00:12:57,630 all right, like, he's going to get dealt some justice 354 00:12:57,631 --> 00:12:59,507 via Samoa Joe. 355 00:12:59,508 --> 00:13:02,218 [Narrator] As discussion on the internet heats up, 356 00:13:02,219 --> 00:13:04,680 promoter Ian Rotten sees an opportunity. 357 00:13:04,681 --> 00:13:06,264 [Ian] Ian Rotten here, owner, 358 00:13:06,265 --> 00:13:09,184 promoter of IWA Mid-South Wrestling. 359 00:13:09,185 --> 00:13:11,352 [Dave] As an independent wrestling promoter, 360 00:13:11,353 --> 00:13:13,938 Ian Rotten had to come up with unique matches. 361 00:13:13,939 --> 00:13:17,025 There is no television program to try to really 362 00:13:17,026 --> 00:13:19,569 build a story, you have to use the internet. 363 00:13:19,570 --> 00:13:22,864 And Ian Rotten was gearing up for his first event 364 00:13:22,865 --> 00:13:25,868 in Philadelphia at the old ECW arena, 365 00:13:25,993 --> 00:13:29,954 and he needed a big match to fill the seats. 366 00:13:29,955 --> 00:13:31,998 [Narrator] The match that had long seemed 367 00:13:31,999 --> 00:13:34,918 impossible suddenly became inevitable. 368 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:36,711 After the Chikara incident, 369 00:13:36,712 --> 00:13:38,214 Necro Butcher and Samoa Joe 370 00:13:38,339 --> 00:13:41,258 signed with Ian Rotten and the match is set. 371 00:13:42,885 --> 00:13:46,346 [Eddie] This was the first time that I remember that 372 00:13:46,347 --> 00:13:48,973 this legit went down between a deathmatch wrestler 373 00:13:48,974 --> 00:13:50,934 and a pure pro wrestler. 374 00:13:50,935 --> 00:13:52,687 Here we go. 375 00:13:52,812 --> 00:13:54,862 [Dylan] For one night in Philadelphia, 376 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:57,565 I'm gonna have the fight of my life against 377 00:13:57,566 --> 00:13:59,567 the baddest dude of all time. 378 00:13:59,568 --> 00:14:01,695 I have a chance to show the world 379 00:14:01,696 --> 00:14:03,947 a deathmatch wrestler could compete with 380 00:14:03,948 --> 00:14:05,532 the biggest, baddest in the world. 381 00:14:05,533 --> 00:14:07,033 [Announcer] Face to face! 382 00:14:07,034 --> 00:14:08,785 [Dylan] Which is all I wanted all along. 383 00:14:08,786 --> 00:14:10,204 [Announcer] Here we go! 384 00:14:15,126 --> 00:14:18,628 [Narrator] With Necro Butcher versus Samoa Joe set, 385 00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:22,007 Joe takes to the mic to go after his opponent. 386 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,970 [Dylan] I don't agree with being called a bully. 387 00:14:42,570 --> 00:14:44,446 [Mad Man] You have no idea how 388 00:14:44,447 --> 00:14:47,657 intense Necro was about that promo. 389 00:14:47,658 --> 00:14:49,826 He would recite sentences to me 390 00:14:49,827 --> 00:14:52,162 about that promo every day. 391 00:14:52,163 --> 00:14:54,415 That affected Necro. 392 00:14:58,419 --> 00:15:00,212 [Dylan] I thought to myself, wow, 393 00:15:00,213 --> 00:15:02,672 so he thinks I'm not good enough to be there with him. 394 00:15:02,673 --> 00:15:04,258 Okay, fine, I got this. 395 00:15:04,383 --> 00:15:06,719 And now is my chance to make a statement. 396 00:15:09,013 --> 00:15:10,096 [cheering] 397 00:15:10,097 --> 00:15:11,848 [Announcer] Making reference to Necro Butcher! 398 00:15:11,849 --> 00:15:13,892 [cheering and applauding] 399 00:15:13,893 --> 00:15:16,395 [Nuufolau] So, you know, dude, can I be honest? 400 00:15:16,979 --> 00:15:19,815 Dude, legitimately, I look back and I literally 401 00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:23,026 knew nothing about all these moving pieces 402 00:15:23,027 --> 00:15:24,069 that were a part of it. 403 00:15:24,070 --> 00:15:25,695 Like, yeah, I never trained a kid at 404 00:15:25,696 --> 00:15:27,782 ROH's school a day in my life. 405 00:15:27,907 --> 00:15:30,867 Like I never watched the match. 406 00:15:30,868 --> 00:15:34,037 It was mentioned to me for a promo about, "Oh yeah, 407 00:15:34,038 --> 00:15:36,664 he roughed up a couple of kids at the ROH school 408 00:15:36,665 --> 00:15:37,791 so you're, like, gonna get revenge. 409 00:15:37,792 --> 00:15:39,459 Are you cool with that?" I was like, "Yeah, sure." 410 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:41,504 It's part of the show, man. 411 00:15:41,505 --> 00:15:43,797 But, the more I hear and the more I realize, 412 00:15:43,798 --> 00:15:45,965 old Ian Rotten may have been telling people 413 00:15:45,966 --> 00:15:47,509 a lot of different tales, trying to get 414 00:15:47,510 --> 00:15:49,470 certain reactions out of that. 415 00:15:49,471 --> 00:15:51,221 [Dylan] Well, I mean, there was gossip. 416 00:15:51,222 --> 00:15:52,555 You weren't talented. 417 00:15:52,556 --> 00:15:54,474 You were doing something that was beneath them. 418 00:15:54,475 --> 00:15:55,850 I don't know if it was true or not. 419 00:15:55,851 --> 00:15:57,894 I said, "A lot of people are gonna watch this." 420 00:15:57,895 --> 00:16:00,397 So I just knew I had to show them what I could do 421 00:16:00,398 --> 00:16:02,692 so they did not deny me any longer. 422 00:16:02,817 --> 00:16:05,485 ? 423 00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:06,945 [Nuufolau] For me personally, my wife, 424 00:16:06,946 --> 00:16:09,697 then girlfriend at the time, she lived close to Philly. 425 00:16:09,698 --> 00:16:12,617 So like I had literally took the booking... 426 00:16:12,618 --> 00:16:14,495 because I was trying to get some ass. 427 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:17,081 [Laughing] 428 00:16:17,391 --> 00:16:21,167 We were definitely different mindsets, 429 00:16:21,168 --> 00:16:22,585 walking into this match. 430 00:16:22,586 --> 00:16:24,380 Until I got to the arena, then, 431 00:16:24,505 --> 00:16:27,549 I realized it was something different. 432 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:30,219 [Narrator] On June 11th, 2005, 433 00:16:30,344 --> 00:16:32,513 hundreds packed the ECW Arena 434 00:16:32,638 --> 00:16:34,724 expecting a bloodbath. 435 00:16:34,849 --> 00:16:38,101 This is IWA Mid-South wrestling. 436 00:16:38,102 --> 00:16:39,912 [Nuufolau] As I get to the building... 437 00:16:40,021 --> 00:16:42,105 you know, the boys are standing outside. 438 00:16:42,106 --> 00:16:43,940 And I'm just like, "What's up, fellas?" 439 00:16:43,941 --> 00:16:45,525 And then they go, "Yo, what's up, man? 440 00:16:45,526 --> 00:16:46,735 I've been waiting for this." And I'm like, 441 00:16:46,736 --> 00:16:48,778 "Alright, you know, cool, homie." You know, 442 00:16:48,779 --> 00:16:51,197 what the fuck is going on here, man, like...? 443 00:16:51,198 --> 00:16:53,575 [Dylan] I had just come back from Japan, 444 00:16:53,576 --> 00:16:56,203 having flown all night, drinking. 445 00:16:56,328 --> 00:16:58,372 [Laughing] I'm gonna sober up. 446 00:16:58,373 --> 00:17:00,248 I'm gonna get in my '72 Ford pick-up and 447 00:17:00,249 --> 00:17:02,543 drive to Philadelphia and fight Samoa Joe. 448 00:17:02,668 --> 00:17:05,755 I had arrived within an hour of showtime. 449 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,757 Went down to my little secluded spot and, 450 00:17:08,758 --> 00:17:10,926 just waited my turn. 451 00:17:10,927 --> 00:17:12,552 [Bryce] Typically in a pro wrestling match, 452 00:17:12,553 --> 00:17:14,471 a referee will check in with opponents. 453 00:17:14,472 --> 00:17:15,930 "What is the planned finish? 454 00:17:15,931 --> 00:17:17,182 Is there anything I need to know about?" 455 00:17:17,183 --> 00:17:18,933 There was none of that on this day. 456 00:17:18,934 --> 00:17:22,312 My name is Bryce Remsburg, and I was the referee for 457 00:17:22,313 --> 00:17:25,941 the infamous Samoa Joe - Necro Butcher match. 458 00:17:25,942 --> 00:17:27,734 The conversation that I might have had with the 459 00:17:27,735 --> 00:17:30,070 two of them was definitely shorter than 30 seconds. 460 00:17:30,071 --> 00:17:31,946 [Dylan] My mind was made up beforehand. 461 00:17:31,947 --> 00:17:34,575 Whatever he was going to do to me would not stop me. 462 00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:36,785 Not in that building, not on that night. 463 00:17:36,786 --> 00:17:38,495 [Nuufolau] I know what I'm going there for. 464 00:17:38,496 --> 00:17:39,662 I'm gonna get cracked. 465 00:17:39,663 --> 00:17:42,165 He's gonna get cracked, and it's gonna be a brawl. 466 00:17:42,166 --> 00:17:44,918 [Dave] Everyone in the locker room had the same questions 467 00:17:44,919 --> 00:17:46,586 as the wrestling fans did about, 468 00:17:46,587 --> 00:17:47,921 do they really hate each other? 469 00:17:47,922 --> 00:17:49,673 Is this going to turn into a real fight? 470 00:17:49,674 --> 00:17:51,841 What's going to happen? 471 00:17:51,842 --> 00:17:54,594 [Nuufolau] All that shit went into creating an atmosphere 472 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:55,929 and a vibe where it was like, 473 00:17:55,930 --> 00:17:57,847 somebody's going to die tonight. 474 00:17:57,848 --> 00:18:00,101 [Announcer] And we are ready for a 475 00:18:00,226 --> 00:18:01,935 long-awaited match up. 476 00:18:01,936 --> 00:18:03,561 [Bryce] I recall being in the ring before 477 00:18:03,562 --> 00:18:04,562 the match started, looking up 478 00:18:04,563 --> 00:18:05,980 and seeing pretty much the whole locker room 479 00:18:05,981 --> 00:18:07,982 lined up around the commentary table. 480 00:18:07,983 --> 00:18:10,319 [Dave] I did commentary with Eddie Kingston 481 00:18:10,444 --> 00:18:11,694 and CM Punk. 482 00:18:11,695 --> 00:18:13,446 We weren't doing professional commentary 483 00:18:13,447 --> 00:18:15,031 by any means. 484 00:18:15,032 --> 00:18:17,284 It was just us reacting to the spectacle 485 00:18:17,410 --> 00:18:18,827 that we were seeing. 486 00:18:18,828 --> 00:18:21,288 [Eddie] I walked up with a hot dog, sat down, 487 00:18:21,289 --> 00:18:22,372 and I said, "Let's do this." 488 00:18:22,373 --> 00:18:23,540 [Announcer] This is the match everybody's 489 00:18:23,541 --> 00:18:24,833 been waiting to see! 490 00:18:24,834 --> 00:18:27,836 [Rob] By that point, everybody was 491 00:18:27,837 --> 00:18:29,713 foaming at the mouth to see this thing. 492 00:18:29,714 --> 00:18:31,047 [Mad Man] I went up to the balcony to watch this 493 00:18:31,048 --> 00:18:33,009 and was like, holy shit, 494 00:18:33,134 --> 00:18:35,051 the whole building was chanting. 495 00:18:35,052 --> 00:18:37,179 [Crowd] [Chanting] Joe! Joe! Joe! Joe! 496 00:18:37,180 --> 00:18:38,763 [Nuufolau] Then as I'm kind of walking around the 497 00:18:38,764 --> 00:18:40,265 ring here, you started to hear, 498 00:18:40,266 --> 00:18:41,809 "Fuck him up, Joe." 499 00:18:41,934 --> 00:18:43,852 "Necro's gonna fuck you up." 500 00:18:43,853 --> 00:18:46,522 [Rob] Philadelphia is just very bloodthirsty. 501 00:18:46,647 --> 00:18:48,357 They wanted to see violence. 502 00:18:48,482 --> 00:18:49,858 They wanted to see blood, 503 00:18:49,859 --> 00:18:52,902 and they wanted to see Joe kill Necro Butcher. 504 00:18:52,903 --> 00:18:54,571 [Announcer] There's the man right there who wears 505 00:18:54,572 --> 00:18:56,322 the shirt that says, "Choose Death"! 506 00:18:56,323 --> 00:18:58,373 [Eddie] There he is, look at this. Ha-ha! 507 00:18:58,451 --> 00:19:00,994 [Rob] All the combustible elements were there. 508 00:19:00,995 --> 00:19:02,997 They were just primed and ready to just 509 00:19:03,122 --> 00:19:04,692 kick the shit out of each other. 510 00:19:04,693 --> 00:19:06,124 [Announcer] Face to face they come! 511 00:19:06,125 --> 00:19:07,125 [Nuufolau] You obviously know they didn't 512 00:19:07,126 --> 00:19:08,585 come here to see any goddamn wrestling. 513 00:19:08,586 --> 00:19:09,753 They came here to see a fight. 514 00:19:09,754 --> 00:19:12,673 Let's let everybody know what this is really about. 515 00:19:12,674 --> 00:19:16,009 The easiest way to make sure everybody knows 516 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:18,178 it's a no-rules brawl without announcing it is, 517 00:19:18,179 --> 00:19:19,596 you know, take the rules and 518 00:19:19,597 --> 00:19:21,057 throw them over the top rope. 519 00:19:21,182 --> 00:19:23,350 [Announcer] They don't need a referee! 520 00:19:23,476 --> 00:19:24,894 ? 521 00:19:24,895 --> 00:19:26,686 [Bryce] There was already, like 522 00:19:26,687 --> 00:19:28,605 a bunch of gunpowder in the keg. 523 00:19:28,606 --> 00:19:31,192 With no referee, it's chaos. 524 00:19:31,193 --> 00:19:33,109 [Nuufolau] Now we've got everybody where we want them 525 00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:34,694 and now we take them on the journey. 526 00:19:34,695 --> 00:19:35,737 [Announcer] Here we go! 527 00:19:35,738 --> 00:19:37,947 Break it down in Philadelphia! 528 00:19:37,948 --> 00:19:39,824 [Dylan] These forearms were I'm telling this guy 529 00:19:39,825 --> 00:19:42,244 how this match is gonna go. 530 00:19:42,245 --> 00:19:43,953 [Nuufolau] He wanted to establish that's 531 00:19:43,954 --> 00:19:47,082 how hard he wanted to throw? I said, "Alright." 532 00:19:47,083 --> 00:19:49,918 You have now just set your punishment gauge. 533 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:51,920 He could've done it much easier. [Laughing] 534 00:19:51,921 --> 00:19:53,380 [Dylan] It's all about believability. 535 00:19:53,381 --> 00:19:55,674 I want them to think he's trying to kill me. 536 00:19:55,675 --> 00:19:57,801 If I'm going to have any chance of beating him, 537 00:19:57,802 --> 00:19:59,386 I want to fight with him on the floor. 538 00:19:59,387 --> 00:20:00,721 I want to brawl. 539 00:20:00,722 --> 00:20:02,347 [Announcer] Oh! [Indistinct screaming] 540 00:20:02,348 --> 00:20:04,391 Upside the head of the Necro Butcher! 541 00:20:04,392 --> 00:20:07,977 [Dylan] And that is a way you can suck in the crowd. 542 00:20:07,978 --> 00:20:09,938 I want him to hit me. 543 00:20:09,939 --> 00:20:12,607 I was gonna fly over the guardrail. 544 00:20:12,608 --> 00:20:14,984 But he hit me so hard, I couldn't go 545 00:20:14,985 --> 00:20:16,236 over the guard- Oh, Jesus! 546 00:20:16,237 --> 00:20:18,114 [Announcer] Oh, here comes Joe! 547 00:20:18,239 --> 00:20:20,198 Down goes Necro! 548 00:20:20,199 --> 00:20:21,574 [Dylan] I'm gonna just calmly walk over 549 00:20:21,575 --> 00:20:25,286 the guardrail now. [Laughing] 550 00:20:25,287 --> 00:20:26,913 I'm gonna sit down and compose myself 551 00:20:26,914 --> 00:20:28,456 for a minute after that. 552 00:20:28,457 --> 00:20:29,958 [Announcer] All these fans are moving! 553 00:20:29,959 --> 00:20:31,501 They're parting like the Red Sea! 554 00:20:31,502 --> 00:20:32,877 [Nuufolau] Trying to beat the deathmatch wrestler 555 00:20:32,878 --> 00:20:33,963 with pro wrestling. 556 00:20:34,088 --> 00:20:36,423 Using my body as a weapon to try to break you up. 557 00:20:36,424 --> 00:20:39,259 It was meant to accentuate that contrast of styles. 558 00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:40,802 [Announcer] The Necro's back to his feet 559 00:20:40,803 --> 00:20:41,803 with a head butt! 560 00:20:41,804 --> 00:20:42,929 [Eddie] And oh, there's the head butt. 561 00:20:42,930 --> 00:20:44,931 You don't head butt a Samoan. 562 00:20:44,932 --> 00:20:46,622 That's like a rule you're taught. 563 00:20:46,726 --> 00:20:48,977 [Dylan] I had a very bad cut on my head. 564 00:20:48,978 --> 00:20:52,982 I knew a stiff breeze would bust me open, 565 00:20:52,983 --> 00:20:54,524 let alone a Samoan head butt. 566 00:20:54,525 --> 00:20:56,776 [Nuufolau] Any deathmatch wrestler will tell you, 567 00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:58,236 if they've already got something open, 568 00:20:58,237 --> 00:20:59,988 they can't wait for you to work it. 569 00:20:59,989 --> 00:21:01,615 And, we got that fucker open. 570 00:21:01,741 --> 00:21:02,991 [Laughing] 571 00:21:02,992 --> 00:21:04,701 [Announcer] Necro's busted open! 572 00:21:04,702 --> 00:21:07,704 [Rob] Authentic head butts, and then Necro's bleeding. 573 00:21:07,705 --> 00:21:10,124 So, the fervor only grows from there. 574 00:21:10,249 --> 00:21:12,334 [Mad Man] Necro learned a secret from me. 575 00:21:12,335 --> 00:21:14,377 If you want a standing ovation, 576 00:21:14,378 --> 00:21:16,964 you knock their chairs out from underneath them. 577 00:21:16,965 --> 00:21:19,799 [Announcer] Everybody in this building is on their feet! 578 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,134 [Mad Man] Standing ovation. 579 00:21:21,135 --> 00:21:23,136 [Dylan] I don't think Samoa Joe was really 580 00:21:23,137 --> 00:21:25,138 enjoying himself at this point in the match. 581 00:21:25,139 --> 00:21:27,724 I was having a grand old time, myself. 582 00:21:27,725 --> 00:21:29,017 [Nuufolau] [Laughing] I mean, 583 00:21:29,018 --> 00:21:31,144 it's not the best feeling, but... 584 00:21:31,145 --> 00:21:32,145 [Dylan] I was trying to get him to a place 585 00:21:32,146 --> 00:21:33,813 where we could safely to do the power slam, 586 00:21:33,814 --> 00:21:35,149 or so I thought. 587 00:21:35,150 --> 00:21:37,484 You know, when you make people get out of their seat 588 00:21:37,485 --> 00:21:38,693 and move around, 589 00:21:38,694 --> 00:21:41,321 you run the risk of spilling drinks. 590 00:21:41,322 --> 00:21:43,114 [Eddie] You can see it all over the floor. 591 00:21:43,115 --> 00:21:45,159 There was just wet spots everywhere. 592 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,410 [Dylan] So maybe a power slam wasn't the best idea. 593 00:21:47,411 --> 00:21:49,205 [Laughing] 594 00:21:49,206 --> 00:21:51,331 [Nuufolau] He ran at me. I went to scoop him. 595 00:21:51,332 --> 00:21:53,124 Now, I don't know if his foot slipped 596 00:21:53,125 --> 00:21:55,001 or whatever, but like as we went for the lift, 597 00:21:55,002 --> 00:21:56,961 I felt him grab me real tight. 598 00:21:56,962 --> 00:21:58,214 He was just stuck to me. 599 00:21:58,215 --> 00:21:59,631 And then, pushed my hips through 600 00:21:59,632 --> 00:22:02,008 and he was going over. 601 00:22:02,009 --> 00:22:04,844 [Announcer] Power slam on the floor! 602 00:22:04,845 --> 00:22:05,970 [Nuufolau] That didn't quite work the way 603 00:22:05,971 --> 00:22:07,222 he wanted it to. 604 00:22:07,223 --> 00:22:09,182 [Dave] And we're wondering in the commentary position, 605 00:22:09,183 --> 00:22:11,143 how is that physically possible? 606 00:22:11,144 --> 00:22:12,727 [Announcer] I've never seen such a thing! 607 00:22:12,728 --> 00:22:14,104 [Nuufolau] And I turn around, I go, 608 00:22:14,105 --> 00:22:16,440 "Jesus, you good?" And he's- [groaning] 609 00:22:18,109 --> 00:22:21,027 [Bryce] I hear that sickening thud of skull on cement. 610 00:22:21,028 --> 00:22:23,239 That right there is, is a sign of danger. 611 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,739 That's something you're not gonna see on 612 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:26,032 Monday Night Raw. 613 00:22:26,033 --> 00:22:27,617 [Crowd] [Chanting] Necro! Necro! 614 00:22:27,618 --> 00:22:29,994 [Nuufolau] You know, in today's wrestling world, 615 00:22:29,995 --> 00:22:31,955 that match shouldn't continue probably. 616 00:22:31,956 --> 00:22:35,208 But that match and that night, that atmosphere... 617 00:22:35,209 --> 00:22:37,586 that energy from the crowd, it was like, 618 00:22:37,712 --> 00:22:39,546 now we're in the flow, 619 00:22:39,547 --> 00:22:43,049 and it just got more violent and more fucked up from there. 620 00:22:43,050 --> 00:22:44,885 [Chanting] Holy shit! Holy shit! 621 00:22:45,683 --> 00:22:49,764 [Narrator] Just two minutes into the match, 622 00:22:49,765 --> 00:22:51,933 Samoa Joe drives Necro Butcher 623 00:22:51,934 --> 00:22:55,103 face first onto the concrete. 624 00:22:55,104 --> 00:22:57,154 [Eddie] At that that time we didn't stop. 625 00:22:57,231 --> 00:23:00,108 We go until the wheels fall off. 626 00:23:00,109 --> 00:23:02,569 [Dylan] Maybe a normal person would have been hurt. 627 00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:04,404 But I was fine. 628 00:23:04,405 --> 00:23:06,073 [crowd shouting] 629 00:23:06,198 --> 00:23:09,284 [Eddie] Oh, that boot definitely did not tickle. 630 00:23:09,285 --> 00:23:10,785 [Announcer] Oh, Joe's wiping the blood off him. 631 00:23:10,786 --> 00:23:12,370 [Rob] Oh, that's a great touch. 632 00:23:12,371 --> 00:23:14,165 Wiping the blood off his head 633 00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:15,750 and wiping on his chest. 634 00:23:15,875 --> 00:23:18,335 The fans are such an integral part to all this. 635 00:23:18,336 --> 00:23:19,377 They're so into it. 636 00:23:19,378 --> 00:23:20,503 [Crowd] Oh! 637 00:23:20,504 --> 00:23:21,504 [Nuufolau] If you look at that floor right now, 638 00:23:21,505 --> 00:23:24,800 it could be any number of bodily fluids, so... 639 00:23:24,801 --> 00:23:26,551 when things got to the outside, 640 00:23:26,552 --> 00:23:28,762 this was Necro's environment. 641 00:23:28,763 --> 00:23:30,513 But anytime we're inside the ring, you know, 642 00:23:30,514 --> 00:23:32,015 that was my domain. 643 00:23:32,016 --> 00:23:33,641 [Announcer] Over the rail and back they go. 644 00:23:33,642 --> 00:23:34,476 [Nuufolau] Body language is, 645 00:23:34,477 --> 00:23:35,810 "I don't think much of you." 646 00:23:35,811 --> 00:23:38,147 Arrogant pin, you know, elbow on the chin, 647 00:23:38,148 --> 00:23:39,689 not really scooping the leg. 648 00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:40,982 But in the face of that, you know, 649 00:23:40,983 --> 00:23:42,318 here he is fighting back. 650 00:23:42,443 --> 00:23:44,778 [Announcer] Necro kicks out. 651 00:23:44,779 --> 00:23:48,282 [Rob] He is not giving up. He is continuing to fight. 652 00:23:48,407 --> 00:23:49,657 He puts the arm up. 653 00:23:49,658 --> 00:23:52,703 And then the very pro Joe crowd, 654 00:23:52,704 --> 00:23:53,912 you start hearing more, 655 00:23:53,913 --> 00:23:55,543 "Necro, Necro, Necro," chants. 656 00:23:55,623 --> 00:23:56,998 [Crowd] Necro! Necro! 657 00:23:56,999 --> 00:23:58,375 [Rob] And it's because of Necro's 658 00:23:58,376 --> 00:23:59,834 selling, selling, selling. 659 00:23:59,835 --> 00:24:01,670 The fans get louder and louder. 660 00:24:01,671 --> 00:24:03,631 [Crowd] Necro! Necro! 661 00:24:03,632 --> 00:24:05,507 [Rob] And now you have that dynamic, 662 00:24:05,508 --> 00:24:07,175 the fans fighting with each other. 663 00:24:07,176 --> 00:24:08,635 They're turning. 664 00:24:08,636 --> 00:24:09,803 [Announcer] Wait 'til you hear all these fans 665 00:24:09,804 --> 00:24:11,180 right here in a chorus. 666 00:24:11,181 --> 00:24:12,972 [Nuufolau] I understood what role I played in this. 667 00:24:12,973 --> 00:24:15,141 This is somebody fighting against all the odds, 668 00:24:15,142 --> 00:24:17,018 you know, fighting to break out of his box 669 00:24:17,019 --> 00:24:19,939 in the face of this insurmountable entity. 670 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:21,815 [Announcer] Off the ropes comes Necro! 671 00:24:21,816 --> 00:24:23,316 Connects with the boot. 672 00:24:23,317 --> 00:24:25,607 [Dylan] Joe's weapon is his killer instinct 673 00:24:25,611 --> 00:24:28,154 and his ability. Those are just tools. 674 00:24:28,155 --> 00:24:30,866 For me, the opponent, 675 00:24:30,991 --> 00:24:33,493 the guardrail, the ring itself. 676 00:24:33,494 --> 00:24:35,579 Those are the tools of my trade. 677 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:37,330 You don't really have time to be hurt, 678 00:24:37,331 --> 00:24:38,289 because you gotta think, okay, 679 00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:40,458 what am I doing next, what am I doing next? 680 00:24:40,459 --> 00:24:41,876 Oh, yeah, I was trying to find 681 00:24:41,877 --> 00:24:44,337 a piece of guardrail I could rip off. 682 00:24:44,338 --> 00:24:46,716 I'm going to smash you with the guardrail. 683 00:24:49,677 --> 00:24:51,428 [Dylan] No, no. 684 00:24:51,429 --> 00:24:53,055 [Laughing] 685 00:24:54,473 --> 00:24:56,267 He was a good sport about it. 686 00:24:56,392 --> 00:24:58,518 [Crowd] Oh! 687 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:00,103 [Nuufolau] Yeah, it sucks. 688 00:25:00,104 --> 00:25:02,439 It's not pleasant, you know, it's not pleasant. 689 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,024 [Laughing] 690 00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:05,650 [Crowd] Oh! 691 00:25:05,651 --> 00:25:06,693 [Nuufolau] What people don't realize 692 00:25:06,694 --> 00:25:08,361 is that Necro is blind also. 693 00:25:08,362 --> 00:25:09,697 Very blind. [Laughing] 694 00:25:09,698 --> 00:25:10,864 [Dylan] I have my glasses here. 695 00:25:10,865 --> 00:25:11,949 I can't tell who's who. 696 00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:14,242 There's a red light there, red light over there. 697 00:25:14,243 --> 00:25:15,785 But I can't see nothing. 698 00:25:15,786 --> 00:25:18,747 [Announcer] [indistinct commentary] 699 00:25:18,748 --> 00:25:20,833 [Eddie] [Laughing] He did that 700 00:25:20,958 --> 00:25:24,836 and I was like, Jesus! I did not expect it. 701 00:25:24,837 --> 00:25:26,629 [Nuufolau] This guy just swings for the general 702 00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:28,089 fuzzy mound that's in front of him 703 00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:29,600 and he hopes that it connects. 704 00:25:29,717 --> 00:25:32,927 [Dylan] I hit him with the perfect punch. 705 00:25:32,928 --> 00:25:35,347 Like, I felt all of my knuckles 706 00:25:35,473 --> 00:25:37,141 hit him right in the jaw. 707 00:25:37,266 --> 00:25:38,850 [indistinct shouting] 708 00:25:38,851 --> 00:25:41,081 [Dylan] And I thought, I'm gonna do it again. 709 00:25:41,103 --> 00:25:43,814 ? 710 00:25:43,815 --> 00:25:45,440 [Nuufolau] That's the worst thing you do for me. 711 00:25:45,441 --> 00:25:47,942 Now the switch turns an extra couple degrees. 712 00:25:47,943 --> 00:25:49,693 And I have come to destroy worlds, 713 00:25:49,695 --> 00:25:51,821 and this is the world before me 714 00:25:51,822 --> 00:25:53,615 which I must lay waste to. 715 00:25:53,616 --> 00:25:54,824 [Dylan] Before I could do it a third time, 716 00:25:54,825 --> 00:25:56,826 I went flying through the air. [Laughing] 717 00:25:56,827 --> 00:25:58,662 [Announcer] Did you see the... 718 00:25:58,788 --> 00:26:01,540 holy shit! Ah! [screaming] 719 00:26:01,665 --> 00:26:04,793 Holy... fuck! 720 00:26:04,794 --> 00:26:06,711 [Rob] Good God. This is... 721 00:26:06,712 --> 00:26:08,755 it just... 722 00:26:08,756 --> 00:26:11,633 [Eddie] Look at that blood everywhere, man. 723 00:26:11,634 --> 00:26:13,885 This was wild. 724 00:26:13,886 --> 00:26:17,430 [Mad Man] That was the one where I was like, holy shit. 725 00:26:17,431 --> 00:26:20,101 That one made me stand up in my chair and, 726 00:26:20,226 --> 00:26:22,936 I was thinking about going down there. 727 00:26:22,937 --> 00:26:25,231 [Announcer] What the fuck is happening? 728 00:26:27,441 --> 00:26:31,070 [Dylan] Not me, not the kid. A normal man, perhaps. 729 00:26:31,299 --> 00:26:34,072 [Dylan] That's not gonna hurt me. 730 00:26:34,073 --> 00:26:35,949 I know what I'm doing. 731 00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:36,658 [Nuufolau] You know, everybody talks about 732 00:26:36,659 --> 00:26:37,659 his face hitting the floor. 733 00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:39,077 What they don't talk about is his shoulder 734 00:26:39,078 --> 00:26:40,578 coming down on top of my face 735 00:26:40,579 --> 00:26:41,496 and the back of my head being driven 736 00:26:41,497 --> 00:26:42,706 into the cement. 737 00:26:42,832 --> 00:26:45,000 [Crowd] Oh! 738 00:26:45,001 --> 00:26:46,584 [Nuufolau] Thought my nose was broken. 739 00:26:46,585 --> 00:26:49,380 Thought I'd shattered my orbital. 740 00:26:49,381 --> 00:26:50,964 I broke my nose a billion times, 741 00:26:50,965 --> 00:26:52,173 so it wasn't uncommon. 742 00:26:52,174 --> 00:26:54,704 But yeah, this one put another fracture in my nose. 743 00:26:54,705 --> 00:26:55,885 I'll give him this, at least he looks 744 00:26:55,886 --> 00:26:57,470 worse for wear for the whole deal. 745 00:26:57,471 --> 00:26:59,431 [Dylan] There's an old Johnny Valentine quote. 746 00:26:59,432 --> 00:27:02,226 He said, "I can't make you believe in wrestling, 747 00:27:02,351 --> 00:27:05,103 but I can make you believe in Johnny Valentine." 748 00:27:05,104 --> 00:27:07,523 No one is ever gonna watch that match, and say, 749 00:27:07,648 --> 00:27:09,441 "Yeah, that's, that's all fake." 750 00:27:09,442 --> 00:27:12,987 I'm tough enough that I can take that shit. 751 00:27:13,112 --> 00:27:15,156 Let's exploit what we have. 752 00:27:19,744 --> 00:27:23,289 the legendary ECW Arena, eaf 753 00:27:23,414 --> 00:27:25,206 Samoa Joe and Necro Butcher 754 00:27:25,207 --> 00:27:28,376 leave everything in the ring and on the floor. 755 00:27:28,377 --> 00:27:29,377 [Dylan] Now see this is what you call 756 00:27:29,378 --> 00:27:32,256 long-term storytelling, guys. 757 00:27:32,381 --> 00:27:34,425 Remember they had that Chikara match. 758 00:27:34,426 --> 00:27:36,384 [Announcer] ...goes for a suplex off then apron! 759 00:27:36,385 --> 00:27:38,136 [Dylan] I suplexed the kid off the apron. 760 00:27:38,137 --> 00:27:40,187 [Announcer] Off the apron to the floor! 761 00:27:40,306 --> 00:27:42,640 [Dylan] And then, a month or two later, 762 00:27:42,641 --> 00:27:45,394 the master suplexes me off the apron. 763 00:27:45,395 --> 00:27:46,853 [Announcer] Holy shit, ah! 764 00:27:46,854 --> 00:27:50,066 [Dylan] Long-term story telling at its finest. 765 00:27:50,067 --> 00:27:51,149 [Nuufolau] You know what sucks? 766 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:52,567 I wish I could've said I planned all this shit, 767 00:27:52,568 --> 00:27:55,321 but- [Laughing] Happy accident. 768 00:27:55,322 --> 00:27:57,447 [Dylan] Yeah, happy accidents, here we go. 769 00:27:57,448 --> 00:27:58,656 [Laughing] 770 00:27:58,657 --> 00:28:00,947 [Bryce] The way Necro is moving and selling, 771 00:28:00,993 --> 00:28:03,328 he's definitely hurt and he's banged up, 772 00:28:03,329 --> 00:28:04,705 but he's with it. 773 00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:07,458 [Eddie] Just to see Necro get up, we were like... 774 00:28:07,583 --> 00:28:10,085 He's like rising from the dead. 775 00:28:10,086 --> 00:28:11,670 [Nuufolau] I'm not a guy that'll ever dictate to 776 00:28:11,671 --> 00:28:13,361 somebody what dangerous things 777 00:28:13,362 --> 00:28:14,881 they should do to their own body. 778 00:28:14,882 --> 00:28:16,424 I put the ball in his court, and I said, you know, 779 00:28:16,425 --> 00:28:18,969 "You tell me how far you want this to go." 780 00:28:19,095 --> 00:28:21,305 But, he had a vision. 781 00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:22,806 [Crowd] Oh! 782 00:28:22,807 --> 00:28:24,432 [Nuufolau] It's a more primal vision. 783 00:28:24,433 --> 00:28:27,228 It's definitely not eloquent in its execution. 784 00:28:27,229 --> 00:28:28,728 [Dylan] I think here I was telling him, 785 00:28:28,729 --> 00:28:30,689 "Put the guardrail up on the turnbuckle." 786 00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:32,900 There's so many times in this match 787 00:28:33,025 --> 00:28:35,276 where I just said some shit that could 788 00:28:35,277 --> 00:28:36,946 easily be misinterpreted, 789 00:28:37,071 --> 00:28:39,448 but every time I told him to do something, 790 00:28:39,573 --> 00:28:41,867 he did exactly what I wanted him to do. 791 00:28:41,868 --> 00:28:43,284 [Nuufolau] In those circumstances, 792 00:28:43,285 --> 00:28:45,203 I will default to the masochist and 793 00:28:45,204 --> 00:28:46,872 let him paint his picture. 794 00:28:46,997 --> 00:28:50,000 [Dylan] His ability to dish out punishment, 795 00:28:50,001 --> 00:28:52,670 and my ability to absorb punishment 796 00:28:52,795 --> 00:28:54,755 is what I based the match upon. 797 00:28:54,756 --> 00:28:56,381 [Announcer] ...power bomb coming up! 798 00:28:56,382 --> 00:28:58,592 Wah! Oh! 799 00:28:58,718 --> 00:29:00,970 Somebody's gonna die! 800 00:29:02,388 --> 00:29:04,306 [Bryce] In some form or fashion, 801 00:29:04,432 --> 00:29:06,267 they were reading the same book. 802 00:29:06,268 --> 00:29:07,934 I'm not sure they're in the same chapter, 803 00:29:07,935 --> 00:29:11,689 same page quite, but to be done even remotely safely 804 00:29:11,814 --> 00:29:15,900 involves a breed of cooperation. 805 00:29:15,901 --> 00:29:18,904 [Mad Man] The way Necro's looking at it right here is, 806 00:29:19,030 --> 00:29:22,616 the more he gets beat up and still stands up, 807 00:29:22,742 --> 00:29:25,660 he's becoming a bigger star. 808 00:29:25,661 --> 00:29:28,414 Back in the day, before that match... 809 00:29:28,539 --> 00:29:32,584 me and Necro, we was in a light tube match. 810 00:29:32,585 --> 00:29:35,420 We were just bloody as hell. 811 00:29:35,421 --> 00:29:38,506 I suplex Necro and one of them 812 00:29:38,507 --> 00:29:41,302 went in so deep in his arm, it just, 813 00:29:41,427 --> 00:29:43,720 it just cut a whole chunk out of there. 814 00:29:43,721 --> 00:29:46,222 I start yelling out. 815 00:29:46,223 --> 00:29:49,059 Fucking ambulance! Ambulance! 816 00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:51,686 And I'm just feeling terrible that this happened to Necro. 817 00:29:51,687 --> 00:29:54,022 And finally Necro looked over to me, and he said, 818 00:29:54,023 --> 00:29:57,443 "Pondo, would you chill out and cheer up?" 819 00:29:57,444 --> 00:29:59,778 You know, he just never complained about it. 820 00:29:59,779 --> 00:30:02,864 This was his chance to get his name out there and show 821 00:30:02,865 --> 00:30:05,335 the world exactly what the Necro Butcher can do, 822 00:30:05,451 --> 00:30:08,119 and he just kept on going and... 823 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,080 here he is today. 824 00:30:10,081 --> 00:30:12,582 [Eddie] It's a very old school way of 825 00:30:12,583 --> 00:30:15,294 getting somebody over. It, it works. 826 00:30:15,295 --> 00:30:16,670 People can register that. 827 00:30:16,671 --> 00:30:18,963 People can respect an underdog. 828 00:30:18,964 --> 00:30:20,840 [Dave] Is he going to get back to his feet? 829 00:30:20,841 --> 00:30:22,760 The drama continues to build. 830 00:30:22,885 --> 00:30:25,012 It's great storytelling. 831 00:30:25,137 --> 00:30:27,972 [Announcer] Joe, with the cover. No! 832 00:30:27,973 --> 00:30:29,307 [Dylan] It has to be one-sided for 833 00:30:29,308 --> 00:30:31,226 the story I'm trying to tell. 834 00:30:31,227 --> 00:30:34,938 Too many matches today, they're too back and forth. 835 00:30:34,939 --> 00:30:37,691 The fans don't buy the comeback because 836 00:30:37,692 --> 00:30:39,734 the guys don't take the time to set the heat 837 00:30:39,735 --> 00:30:41,569 the way they need to. 838 00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:42,987 [Nuufolau] The whole point was, 839 00:30:42,988 --> 00:30:44,906 in my head was like, we're going to 840 00:30:44,907 --> 00:30:46,491 put this guy through this carnival of torture 841 00:30:46,492 --> 00:30:48,743 that he's wanted so badly for so long. 842 00:30:48,744 --> 00:30:50,161 We're going to give him everything he asked for. 843 00:30:50,162 --> 00:30:52,081 [Crowd] Oh! 844 00:30:52,082 --> 00:30:54,332 [Dylan] That could have been a paralyzation there had 845 00:30:54,333 --> 00:30:56,877 somebody been an inch this way or an inch that way, 846 00:30:56,878 --> 00:30:59,462 that could have easily been a paralyzation there as well. 847 00:30:59,463 --> 00:31:01,673 [Announcer] Cover! [Crowd] One, two! 848 00:31:01,674 --> 00:31:03,466 [Announcer] He kicked out! 849 00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:05,051 [Bryce] The look on Joe's face is like, 850 00:31:05,052 --> 00:31:07,638 "What do I gotta do to put this guy, this guy away?" 851 00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:09,472 [Dave] They're chanting, "Necro!" 852 00:31:09,473 --> 00:31:11,725 He's earning the respect of the crowd. 853 00:31:11,726 --> 00:31:12,726 [Announcer] The fans of Philadelphia are 854 00:31:12,727 --> 00:31:13,777 going nuts right now. 855 00:31:13,778 --> 00:31:15,520 [Rob] All the punishment Necro Butcher takes, 856 00:31:15,521 --> 00:31:17,188 he's gonna make it matter. 857 00:31:17,189 --> 00:31:20,568 He's not just gonna blow off any kind of damage. 858 00:31:20,569 --> 00:31:21,651 [Announcer] And they're showing their support 859 00:31:21,652 --> 00:31:22,862 for Joe as well. 860 00:31:22,987 --> 00:31:24,821 Chop across the chest of Necro. 861 00:31:24,822 --> 00:31:25,822 [Dylan] I wanted to look really feeble 862 00:31:25,823 --> 00:31:26,991 and barely on my feet. 863 00:31:27,116 --> 00:31:29,159 So that's what I was trying to do here. 864 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,455 A man doesn't win when he's relaxed 865 00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:34,999 and thinks he's in control. 866 00:31:35,124 --> 00:31:37,168 A man wins when he thinks he's losing. 867 00:31:37,293 --> 00:31:38,711 [Crowd] Oh! 868 00:31:39,795 --> 00:31:41,047 [Rob] There it is! 869 00:31:41,172 --> 00:31:44,091 He's fighting back, boom, boom! 870 00:31:44,216 --> 00:31:45,341 Oh, my God. 871 00:31:45,342 --> 00:31:47,719 [Nuufolau] In the moment, I'm annoyed at that. 872 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,805 Like, what the fuck, man? 873 00:31:50,806 --> 00:31:53,183 [Announcer] But Samoa Joe with the palm strikes! 874 00:31:53,184 --> 00:31:54,476 [Nuufolau] Classic pro wrestling technique, 875 00:31:54,477 --> 00:31:55,935 the open-hand palm strikes. 876 00:31:55,936 --> 00:31:58,397 Bro, put your hands up. That's the first rule. 877 00:31:58,522 --> 00:32:01,052 [Dave] With each slap you could see a mist of blood 878 00:32:01,150 --> 00:32:05,779 coming off the face of Necro Butcher. 879 00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:08,365 [Nuufolau] If I had to pinpoint a time when 880 00:32:08,366 --> 00:32:11,159 my girlfriend at the time had left the match, 881 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,996 it was where the blood was visibly flying into the crowd. 882 00:32:14,997 --> 00:32:16,498 She said she almost threw up 883 00:32:16,499 --> 00:32:18,834 and then she decided to bounce. 884 00:32:20,252 --> 00:32:22,542 And that's the whole point of what I was doing. 885 00:32:22,543 --> 00:32:24,047 When you're dog walking somebody, 886 00:32:24,048 --> 00:32:25,757 it's not a pretty affair. 887 00:32:25,758 --> 00:32:27,842 And that's what that whole sequence was about. 888 00:32:27,843 --> 00:32:30,304 I've had enough. I'm done with this. 889 00:32:30,429 --> 00:32:33,307 It's time for you to die now. 890 00:32:33,432 --> 00:32:35,768 [Announcer] Ah! God! 891 00:32:36,135 --> 00:32:40,522 [Narrator] The match between Necro Butcher and 892 00:32:40,523 --> 00:32:43,733 Samoa Joe barrels toward its violent finish. 893 00:32:43,734 --> 00:32:45,986 [Announcer] Look at the blood on the body of 894 00:32:46,112 --> 00:32:47,822 Samoa Joe from Necro! 895 00:32:47,947 --> 00:32:50,991 ? 896 00:32:50,992 --> 00:32:53,159 [Bryce] This was not any ordinary wrestling match, 897 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,538 so it wasn't gonna end any ordinary way. 898 00:32:55,539 --> 00:32:57,330 Joe's here 'cause he wants to be here. 899 00:32:57,331 --> 00:32:59,040 Necro has nothing to lose. 900 00:32:59,041 --> 00:33:00,875 So, the story of Necro... 901 00:33:00,876 --> 00:33:02,293 calling these spots that lead to his demise... 902 00:33:02,294 --> 00:33:03,336 [Announcer] Stay down! 903 00:33:03,337 --> 00:33:04,504 [Bryce] He's saying that, "I'm gonna lose, 904 00:33:04,505 --> 00:33:06,256 but I'm gonna go down swinging." 905 00:33:06,257 --> 00:33:07,966 [Dave] The lasting image of that match 906 00:33:07,967 --> 00:33:10,553 is the final strike. 907 00:33:10,678 --> 00:33:13,596 And Samoa Joe effectively wins the match 908 00:33:13,597 --> 00:33:16,057 by knocking Necro out. 909 00:33:16,058 --> 00:33:17,642 [Bryce] What is unique about this finish is that it's, 910 00:33:17,643 --> 00:33:19,728 in essence, a technical knockout. 911 00:33:19,729 --> 00:33:21,354 [Dave] He didn't just have to pin him for 912 00:33:21,355 --> 00:33:23,898 three seconds, he kept him down for ten. 913 00:33:23,899 --> 00:33:27,403 [Rob] He just could not take any more beating. 914 00:33:27,404 --> 00:33:28,528 [Announcer] He's getting up though. 915 00:33:28,529 --> 00:33:30,573 No! And that's it! 916 00:33:30,698 --> 00:33:33,075 Samoa Joe gets the knockout! 917 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,160 Knockout win for Samoa Joe! 918 00:33:35,161 --> 00:33:36,870 [match bell ringing] 919 00:33:36,871 --> 00:33:39,456 [Nuufolau] Your great messiah of hardcore death 920 00:33:39,457 --> 00:33:42,042 has been stricken down. 921 00:33:42,168 --> 00:33:44,712 All justice has been served. 922 00:33:46,922 --> 00:33:48,339 [Dylan] What a mess. 923 00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:49,883 [Narrator] Though the match may be over, 924 00:33:49,884 --> 00:33:52,720 Joe gives Necro one last parting shot. 925 00:33:52,845 --> 00:33:54,471 [Announcer] Oh, he's not done. 926 00:33:54,472 --> 00:33:55,680 [Nuufolau] Brother was down there selling so long, 927 00:33:55,681 --> 00:33:57,098 so I went over there and I gave him like 928 00:33:57,099 --> 00:33:58,099 the little kick in the head. 929 00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:59,350 Just like I knew he would, he popped right up 930 00:33:59,351 --> 00:34:00,894 and started swinging for the fences. 931 00:34:00,895 --> 00:34:03,606 And the monster rises again from the dead. 932 00:34:03,607 --> 00:34:05,273 [Dylan] Really? Really? Get out of here. 933 00:34:05,274 --> 00:34:07,567 [Laughing] 934 00:34:07,568 --> 00:34:09,027 [Announcer] The hardcore Jesus is pissed. 935 00:34:09,028 --> 00:34:10,153 [Nuufolau] I'm like, well, I can't leave you 936 00:34:10,154 --> 00:34:11,446 laying in a puddle, I mean, like, 937 00:34:11,447 --> 00:34:12,989 I thought it was important to leave 938 00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:16,659 the arena with him at least standing, you know. 939 00:34:16,660 --> 00:34:19,829 [Announcer] What a war between these two men! 940 00:34:19,830 --> 00:34:22,300 [Nuufolau] If there's no fight in somebody then 941 00:34:22,416 --> 00:34:24,709 there's nothing really there to care about. 942 00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:27,838 So, it was imperative to me that we left Necro 943 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:29,422 with the right kind of perception on him 944 00:34:29,423 --> 00:34:30,632 of being just one of the 945 00:34:30,633 --> 00:34:32,425 toughest motherfuckers on planet earth. 946 00:34:32,426 --> 00:34:34,595 [Crowd chanting] 947 00:34:37,807 --> 00:34:40,434 [Dylan] Match of the year, huh? Wow. 948 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,936 [Crowd] [Chanting] Match of the year! 949 00:34:42,937 --> 00:34:44,437 [Dave] Everyone in the building knew that 950 00:34:44,438 --> 00:34:46,691 they had just witnessed something great. 951 00:34:46,692 --> 00:34:48,566 And when the fans finally got a chance to 952 00:34:48,567 --> 00:34:51,277 see it on video, it just intensified 953 00:34:51,278 --> 00:34:54,572 the buzz about the match on the internet. 954 00:34:54,573 --> 00:34:57,118 [Dylan] How ironic that that event was called 955 00:34:57,243 --> 00:34:58,576 "Something To Prove" 956 00:34:58,577 --> 00:35:01,371 because that's exactly what I was trying to do, 957 00:35:01,372 --> 00:35:03,665 and I think that's exactly what I did. 958 00:35:03,666 --> 00:35:05,668 That night in Philly was special. 959 00:35:05,793 --> 00:35:08,128 I knew I'm never gonna make it to 960 00:35:08,129 --> 00:35:09,338 Madison Square Garden. 961 00:35:09,463 --> 00:35:12,091 That was my Madison Square Garden. 962 00:35:12,216 --> 00:35:13,925 After that match, 963 00:35:13,926 --> 00:35:17,220 I was a made man in that building. 964 00:35:17,221 --> 00:35:19,390 And that's all I ever wanted. 965 00:35:19,391 --> 00:35:22,851 [Nuufolau] You know, coming through the curtain in 966 00:35:22,852 --> 00:35:25,395 the post-match, it couldn't have been more... 967 00:35:25,396 --> 00:35:27,355 I mean, docile. [Laughing] 968 00:35:27,356 --> 00:35:28,732 You know, like... 969 00:35:28,733 --> 00:35:31,151 Necro came back, dapped him up. 970 00:35:31,152 --> 00:35:33,737 [Dylan] I went to Joe immediately and thanked him. 971 00:35:33,738 --> 00:35:36,573 I obviously had tremendous amount of respect 972 00:35:36,574 --> 00:35:37,782 for him as a wrestler. 973 00:35:37,783 --> 00:35:40,369 He trusted the vision of what I had, 974 00:35:40,494 --> 00:35:43,455 and helped me follow it through. 975 00:35:43,456 --> 00:35:45,582 Well, after the match, I had another show to do 976 00:35:45,583 --> 00:35:47,709 that evening in the same arena. 977 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:50,170 So I had to go back down to the catacombs and 978 00:35:50,171 --> 00:35:51,839 put my skull back together 979 00:35:51,964 --> 00:35:53,798 and catch my breath, 980 00:35:53,799 --> 00:35:55,091 and get ready to get out there and 981 00:35:55,092 --> 00:35:56,385 do it all over again. 982 00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:59,054 [Announcer] And here comes the butcher! 983 00:35:59,055 --> 00:36:01,431 [Dave] You'd think maybe he'd be tired, but no. 984 00:36:01,432 --> 00:36:03,558 He just kept going. 985 00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:05,394 [Announcer] Excuse me! 986 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:07,980 [Rob] He never went 80%, you know, 987 00:36:08,105 --> 00:36:10,106 he was always 110. 988 00:36:10,107 --> 00:36:12,068 It's a very heavy price, 989 00:36:12,193 --> 00:36:14,027 taking suplexes to the floor, 990 00:36:14,028 --> 00:36:16,572 taking these bumps, and he did it because 991 00:36:16,697 --> 00:36:18,656 he had pride in what he was doing 992 00:36:18,657 --> 00:36:21,076 and he wanted to get to the next level. 993 00:36:21,077 --> 00:36:23,745 It certainly seemed to me that there was almost like 994 00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:26,956 a before and after for both of those guys. 995 00:36:26,957 --> 00:36:30,251 [Dave] It eventually earned Necro a regular spot 996 00:36:30,252 --> 00:36:32,545 in ROH for a couple of years. 997 00:36:32,546 --> 00:36:34,881 [Dylan] Ring Of Honor could not deny me any longer. 998 00:36:34,882 --> 00:36:36,841 [Announcer] That's the Necro Butcher! 999 00:36:36,842 --> 00:36:38,343 [Dylan] I was on every show for like four years. 1000 00:36:38,344 --> 00:36:40,512 [Chanting] Necro! Necro! 1001 00:36:40,513 --> 00:36:41,471 [Bryce] He goes on to be in the movie 1002 00:36:41,472 --> 00:36:42,639 "The Wrestler" in 2008. 1003 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,723 [Mickey] Talk to me about it. 1004 00:36:43,724 --> 00:36:45,058 What do you want to do tonight? 1005 00:36:45,059 --> 00:36:46,393 [Necro] Are you cool with the staples? 1006 00:36:46,394 --> 00:36:48,186 [Dylan] Maybe it was a mainstream moment. 1007 00:36:48,187 --> 00:36:49,312 [Necro] Staple gun? 1008 00:36:49,313 --> 00:36:51,648 [Dylan] But, at the time, I had more wrestling to do. 1009 00:36:51,649 --> 00:36:53,650 [Announcer] The Necro Butcher! 1010 00:36:53,651 --> 00:36:54,776 [Eddie] We were in this together 1011 00:36:54,777 --> 00:36:56,278 as independent wrestlers. 1012 00:36:56,404 --> 00:36:58,947 We were all trying just to set 1013 00:36:58,948 --> 00:37:01,366 the world on fire with our wrestling. 1014 00:37:01,367 --> 00:37:03,244 We were misfits, all of us. 1015 00:37:03,369 --> 00:37:04,745 Even Joe was. 1016 00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:07,623 We saw Samoa Joe's name getting 1017 00:37:07,748 --> 00:37:09,375 bigger and bigger over time. 1018 00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:12,001 It was a sense of pride. 1019 00:37:12,002 --> 00:37:15,964 If any indie guy made it, we were all proud. 1020 00:37:15,965 --> 00:37:17,924 [Nuufolau] I finished up with ROH, 1021 00:37:17,925 --> 00:37:20,969 I moved on to TNA Wrestling, then moved on to WWE. 1022 00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:24,390 And now I currently find myself in All Elite Wrestling. 1023 00:37:24,391 --> 00:37:26,599 [Dylan] It was obvious back then, 1024 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,438 what sort of trajectory that man was on. 1025 00:37:30,563 --> 00:37:33,106 This was a trajectory that was 1026 00:37:33,107 --> 00:37:35,484 closed to me. 1027 00:37:35,609 --> 00:37:38,737 [Dave] Necro Butcher never got his WWE run 1028 00:37:38,738 --> 00:37:41,406 probably because he was such an outlaw. 1029 00:37:41,407 --> 00:37:44,034 His home was independent wrestling, 1030 00:37:44,035 --> 00:37:46,578 and so it's honestly not much of a surprise that 1031 00:37:46,579 --> 00:37:49,957 that was where he really excelled. 1032 00:37:49,958 --> 00:37:51,750 [Nuufolau] Many independent wrestlers have gone on 1033 00:37:51,751 --> 00:37:53,877 to have lauded careers... 1034 00:37:53,878 --> 00:37:55,837 all around the world. 1035 00:37:55,838 --> 00:37:57,839 If you ask me why maybe Necro wasn't 1036 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,008 a part of that pantheon of people... 1037 00:38:00,009 --> 00:38:02,927 [sighing] you know, at the end of the day, 1038 00:38:02,928 --> 00:38:05,847 it's just hard to put on a, on a cereal box, you know? 1039 00:38:05,848 --> 00:38:07,474 [Mad Man] That's the thing about deathmatches, 1040 00:38:07,475 --> 00:38:09,768 and people just don't understand. 1041 00:38:09,769 --> 00:38:13,147 They say that we make hotdogs and handshakes. 1042 00:38:13,272 --> 00:38:15,523 I do believe that for Necro, 1043 00:38:15,524 --> 00:38:18,026 the crowd would chant his name and... 1044 00:38:18,027 --> 00:38:20,737 to a wrestler, having a crowd chant your name, 1045 00:38:20,738 --> 00:38:22,739 sing your song, that means, 1046 00:38:22,740 --> 00:38:24,867 that means more to us than anything. 1047 00:38:24,992 --> 00:38:27,869 You're not gonna talk him out of what he loves. 1048 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:30,163 He loves wrestling. 1049 00:38:30,164 --> 00:38:32,707 [Dylan] I was going to Japan like six times a year. 1050 00:38:32,708 --> 00:38:35,293 I'd got to Mexico a couple times, Puerto Rico. 1051 00:38:35,294 --> 00:38:37,253 And then in 2020, 1052 00:38:37,254 --> 00:38:40,049 I had just come back from Japan and I- 1053 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:41,633 I didn't know what was going on, 1054 00:38:41,634 --> 00:38:43,260 but I knew I was really sick. 1055 00:38:44,595 --> 00:38:48,098 [Mad Man] So... I remember when 1056 00:38:48,099 --> 00:38:51,060 I first seen him, thinking to myself, 1057 00:38:51,185 --> 00:38:53,687 look at the weight that he lost. 1058 00:38:53,813 --> 00:38:56,732 [Announcer] Butcher! [Crowd] [cheering] 1059 00:38:56,857 --> 00:38:59,276 [Mad Man] He had lost a lot of weight. 1060 00:39:00,611 --> 00:39:02,737 Like a lot of weight. 1061 00:39:02,738 --> 00:39:05,074 And, ah... 1062 00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:06,950 I, I didn't understand. 1063 00:39:06,951 --> 00:39:08,785 I didn't know what was going. 1064 00:39:08,786 --> 00:39:11,037 [Announcer] He's passing the torch! 1065 00:39:11,038 --> 00:39:13,581 [Mad Man] Shortly after that, I went to visit him. 1066 00:39:13,582 --> 00:39:15,208 Took us out to eat. 1067 00:39:15,209 --> 00:39:17,293 Right before I left, that's when he said, 1068 00:39:17,294 --> 00:39:19,212 "Hey, man, if I... 1069 00:39:19,213 --> 00:39:22,340 if I don't talk to you from this day on, 1070 00:39:22,341 --> 00:39:24,885 just realize I always appreciated everything 1071 00:39:24,886 --> 00:39:26,136 you did for me." And I'm like, 1072 00:39:26,137 --> 00:39:27,762 "What are you talking about?" 1073 00:39:27,763 --> 00:39:30,014 And, ah... 1074 00:39:30,015 --> 00:39:32,684 I'm telling him, I'm like, 1075 00:39:32,685 --> 00:39:34,936 "If you want me to stay, I'll stay." 1076 00:39:34,937 --> 00:39:37,814 And he's like, "No." 1077 00:39:37,815 --> 00:39:41,402 So, that's when I found out that Necro had cancer. 1078 00:39:45,147 --> 00:39:49,826 [Narrator] Diagnosed with stage three cancer, 1079 00:39:49,827 --> 00:39:52,288 Necro Butcher fights for his life. 1080 00:39:52,413 --> 00:39:55,373 [Dylan] Turns out I had Hodgkin's lymphoma. 1081 00:39:55,374 --> 00:39:57,375 I was in a hospital bed for about nine months 1082 00:39:57,376 --> 00:39:59,128 and had no energy whatsoever. 1083 00:39:59,253 --> 00:40:01,880 Everything hurt. 1084 00:40:01,881 --> 00:40:04,425 Laying in bed for nine months gives you 1085 00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:07,427 plenty of time to re-evaluate things, you know. 1086 00:40:07,428 --> 00:40:10,597 Over the years, I've beat so many guys up it's not 1087 00:40:10,598 --> 00:40:12,724 even something I keep track of anymore. 1088 00:40:12,725 --> 00:40:14,934 And after a while, they just blend together. 1089 00:40:14,935 --> 00:40:17,187 Looking back, 1090 00:40:17,188 --> 00:40:19,022 the Samoa Joe match, let's be honest, 1091 00:40:19,023 --> 00:40:22,109 that's what people are gonna remember about me. 1092 00:40:22,234 --> 00:40:24,987 Quite honestly, I'm baffled sometimes. 1093 00:40:24,988 --> 00:40:26,821 People talk about this match that 1094 00:40:26,822 --> 00:40:29,283 weren't even alive when we did it. 1095 00:40:29,408 --> 00:40:31,659 I'm still very flattered by it. 1096 00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:34,454 It is one of the greatest brawls you will ever see. 1097 00:40:34,455 --> 00:40:36,332 [Eddie] It's a time capsule, man. 1098 00:40:36,457 --> 00:40:38,959 If people want to know how the independents were 1099 00:40:39,085 --> 00:40:42,463 from 2000 to 2010, that was it. 1100 00:40:42,588 --> 00:40:44,214 They made a moment. 1101 00:40:44,215 --> 00:40:45,799 For all of us on the indies, man. 1102 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,966 Because I'll tell you right now, 1103 00:40:46,967 --> 00:40:50,512 more people started booking those kind of matches. 1104 00:40:50,513 --> 00:40:52,682 They were the spark. 1105 00:40:52,807 --> 00:40:55,643 [Dave] Just how believable that brawl was 1106 00:40:55,768 --> 00:40:58,019 is something that young wrestlers now draw 1107 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:02,024 inspiration for what a fight could be like. 1108 00:41:02,025 --> 00:41:03,983 [Nuufolau] It's wild that so many people have loved, 1109 00:41:03,984 --> 00:41:06,820 and enjoyed, and taken pleasure from watching this. 1110 00:41:06,821 --> 00:41:09,657 I just never would have imagined it would have 1111 00:41:09,782 --> 00:41:11,449 taken on the life that it has. 1112 00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:13,410 It's cool that... 1113 00:41:13,411 --> 00:41:15,036 that was part of my journey. 1114 00:41:15,037 --> 00:41:17,331 It's neat. 1115 00:41:17,332 --> 00:41:19,708 [Narrator] As he wages his battle with cancer, 1116 00:41:19,709 --> 00:41:22,837 the Necro Butcher discovers a new outlook. 1117 00:41:22,962 --> 00:41:25,422 [Dylan] When I was in the bed I found something 1118 00:41:25,423 --> 00:41:27,341 that was unshakeable. 1119 00:41:27,466 --> 00:41:29,552 And that was myself. 1120 00:41:29,677 --> 00:41:33,221 In the game of life, you're not in charge 1121 00:41:33,222 --> 00:41:35,516 of where you start on the boards. 1122 00:41:35,641 --> 00:41:38,643 The only thing you're in control of is when you quit. 1123 00:41:38,644 --> 00:41:40,270 It's gonna hurt, you're gonna suffer. 1124 00:41:40,271 --> 00:41:42,397 But you have to believe in yourself. 1125 00:41:42,398 --> 00:41:43,648 If you can't believe you can do it, 1126 00:41:43,649 --> 00:41:46,068 then you're suffering for nothing. 1127 00:41:46,193 --> 00:41:50,989 We did three cycles of chemo with no improvement. 1128 00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:52,574 And they said, "Alright, if we don't see 1129 00:41:52,575 --> 00:41:54,034 improvement on the fourth one, 1130 00:41:54,035 --> 00:41:56,495 we're gonna quit and that's gonna be that." 1131 00:41:56,620 --> 00:41:59,748 Wouldn't you know it, that fourth one took. 1132 00:41:59,749 --> 00:42:03,085 [Chuckling] And then, got back into wrestling. 1133 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:05,713 ? 1134 00:42:05,838 --> 00:42:07,590 [Mad Man] This is the guy that 1135 00:42:07,715 --> 00:42:11,302 I've seen go through the craziest bumps 1136 00:42:11,427 --> 00:42:14,679 that you could ever think about. 1137 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,725 And walk away unscathed. 1138 00:42:17,850 --> 00:42:22,271 But, look at him today. He beat cancer. 1139 00:42:22,396 --> 00:42:25,440 His hip exploded, he beat that. 1140 00:42:25,441 --> 00:42:26,691 Still punching people in the face. 1141 00:42:26,692 --> 00:42:28,235 [Announcer] Good God! 1142 00:42:28,236 --> 00:42:29,694 [Mad Man] That puts him solid in 1143 00:42:29,695 --> 00:42:31,906 the bad motherfuckers club. 1144 00:42:31,907 --> 00:42:32,989 [Dylan] You know, I'm not moving around 1145 00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:34,449 great right now, but I'm moving around 1146 00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:37,119 pretty good for age 52. 1147 00:42:37,244 --> 00:42:38,996 I'm still out there on the road. 1148 00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:40,748 I'm motivated. 1149 00:42:40,873 --> 00:42:43,250 I just had a rough match last week... 1150 00:42:43,376 --> 00:42:45,127 about died. 1151 00:42:45,252 --> 00:42:47,630 [Announcer] Oh, my God! 1152 00:42:47,755 --> 00:42:50,883 [Dylan] I understand the way we look back at things, 1153 00:42:51,008 --> 00:42:53,302 the further they get in the mirror. 1154 00:42:53,303 --> 00:42:55,220 [Announcer] And it's June 11, 2005 1155 00:42:55,221 --> 00:42:56,806 here in Philadelphia! 1156 00:42:56,807 --> 00:42:58,681 [Dylan] That night in Philadelphia, 1157 00:42:58,682 --> 00:43:01,936 it was my most immediate, important event in my life. 1158 00:43:02,061 --> 00:43:03,645 Oh, wow! [Laughing] 1159 00:43:03,646 --> 00:43:05,605 That was better than I thought. Wow! 1160 00:43:05,606 --> 00:43:08,650 What does any artist want but for 1161 00:43:08,651 --> 00:43:10,819 his art to be remembered fondly? 1162 00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:13,155 And I think we're past the point of this being 1163 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,990 remembered more than fondly so, 1164 00:43:15,991 --> 00:43:17,992 thank you, Samoa Joe. Thank you. 1165 00:43:17,993 --> 00:43:19,536 [Nuufolau] The feeling is mutual, 1166 00:43:19,537 --> 00:43:20,788 the thanks is mutual. 1167 00:43:20,913 --> 00:43:23,373 He managed to take a random afternoon that I was 1168 00:43:23,374 --> 00:43:25,668 not expecting would be what it was. 1169 00:43:25,669 --> 00:43:28,086 And it's become kind of a touchstone for inspiration 1170 00:43:28,087 --> 00:43:30,422 in the great zeitgeist of wrestling. 1171 00:43:30,423 --> 00:43:32,048 You know, to me, I think that's when 1172 00:43:32,049 --> 00:43:34,467 pro wrestling can be at its very best. 1173 00:43:34,468 --> 00:43:35,969 [Announcer] ...to the crowd! 1174 00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:39,097 [Dylan] I won 'em over with my ability to not quit. 1175 00:43:39,098 --> 00:43:41,641 And that's the message I try to tell people. 1176 00:43:41,642 --> 00:43:44,478 I haven't quit, so you better not either. 1177 00:43:44,479 --> 00:43:46,354 I've had so many horrible things happen to me 1178 00:43:46,355 --> 00:43:48,064 when I was young... 1179 00:43:48,065 --> 00:43:51,359 I just wanted to belong and not be by myself. 1180 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,153 [Crowd chanting] Necro! Necro! 1181 00:43:53,154 --> 00:43:55,698 And I wanted to connect with other people 1182 00:43:55,823 --> 00:43:58,533 that had the same passions I did. 1183 00:43:58,534 --> 00:44:00,327 Just appreciate the fine art 1184 00:44:00,328 --> 00:44:02,162 that is professional wrestling, 1185 00:44:02,163 --> 00:44:04,832 and then to contribute to that fine art, well, 1186 00:44:04,957 --> 00:44:07,168 what more, what more could a man ask for? 1187 00:44:07,218 --> 00:44:11,768 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0